What are your Sun/Moon and Rising signs?
Sun: Aquarius, Moon: Aries, Rising: Virgo
I know we’ve done this with age before but I wanna know where you guys are from, so reblog and add where you live!
South end of the Netherlands. =)
As some of you know, I work for the town council in the department where we also do a lot of archiving stuff. I was reading through some of the material on archive laws earlier today and paused for a good while when I saw we’d acquired the archives from local law enforcement a few years before…
But keep in mind this is in Europe, specifically the Netherlands, where privacy laws are much, much stronger than in the US. American companies like Google have been fighting the EU privacy regulations since they’re so much more severe than what exists in the US and makes it more difficult for them since that means they essentially have to have very different rules for different countries when it comes to the distribution of personal information online. So far as I know, the basement tapes are under the jurisdiction of the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office, who could release them (or not) at their discretion at any time. In fact, I recall a court tossed out claims by the Harris and Klebold lawyers (I think) that the tapes and other personal information would be under copyright and so couldn’t be released unless they said so.
Thank you very much for the addendum about US privacy laws. The laws on privacy over here are very strict, to the point where I need to seal some documents that come in to my job with a confidentiality agreement to prevent other employees from seeing them in our system. I think we might need to start agreeing on a basic law protecting personal data online and offline regardless of country.
It’s good to know they’re still under jurisdiction of JeffCo, as they could easily have been transferred to state jurisdictions or something similar and that would likely make their release even tougher. I don’t think you can successfully argue copyright laws in crime cases where the contested material is a direct explanation of the motivator for the crime, right? Regardless of jurisdiction, though, central archive laws would still apply even when the material itself is kept by JeffCo and seal the material from public viewing for some years. Some of the material in our archives is sent off to be permanently destroyed, but I don’t think the basement tapes can lawfully fall into the “safe to destroy”-category no matter how much JeffCo may want that to happen.
As some of you know, I work for the town council in the department where we also do a lot of archiving stuff. I was reading through some of the material on archive laws earlier today and paused for a good while when I saw we’d acquired the archives from local law enforcement a few years before now. The current archives of law enforcement only hold the unsolved cases and unidentified stuff, while we have the rest of it. There is a holding law in place over this that spans 75 years, essentially sealing the documents from law enforcement that exist in our archives to the public for that amount of time. It’s got something to do with another law that protects your personal data from other people for a set amount of time, with the only exceptions to that particular law being authorities themselves and companies like the ones that come to you when you are really heavily in debt or something.
Now, I don’t know if this is a law that’s international.. but I am banking on the idea that similar laws exist in the US and are adhered to really strictly. The basement tapes will now be in an archive somewhere, be it with law enforcement or with the actual town council of Littleton, and depending on the actual details of that archive law you could be looking at anywhere between 20 to 75 years before they are even considered to be eligible for public viewing. (Not to burst anyone’s bubble.. but I think we’re all desillusioned anyway, no?)
How would you define The Columbine Massacre, for someone who is not familiarized with the topic? Greetings!
Hah, girl, I actually hadn’t forgotten you’d asked me this a while back. ;) I’ve been planning a blogpost around the causes and definition of Columbine since we talked about it — work just got in my way a lot. *laughs* So, here’s my preliminary (and relatively short?) answer before the long-ass post..
The Columbine Massacre occurred on 4/20/99 and essentially became one of the iconic events of that decade, upending an entire generation and turning into a key defining moment that changed the way we perceive this world. It was committed by two mentally unstable boys standing on the cusp of adulthood, only a short while before their own graduation, and although it was originally meant to be a bombing they ended up shooting and killing thirteen other people before finally committing suicide. The supposed causes for the massacre have since been cited throughout the media, turning pop culture into an easy scapegoat and often bypassing the root causes that the boys themselves would have cited for their actions.
There is a mass of unreleased evidence that could potentially help determine the exact roots of the problem, but authorities have been known to cite a fear of copycat killers as a rebuttal for its release. The response of authorities to the event itself, as well as to prior dealings they had with the two boys responsible, angered a lot of people through the level of obfuscation and incompetence with which these authorities presented themselves after the fact. The Columbine Massacre is largely unique in the way in which it is handled nowadays, being named in pop culture quite frequently but yet also being referred to in news items about other massacres, and is something quite a lot of its (amateur) researchers refer to as ‘haunting’.
The definition for it is complex, with multiple causes and events prior to the massacre feeding off of each other until the levee finally broke, and yet infinitely simple: the Columbine Massacre is the result of a ‘perfect storm’ meeting, clashing, and leaving the world in the wake of its rubble.
panorama of Columbine High School
# it's so fucking huge though # I'm used to itty bitty schools not factories
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1. The only other crime case that continues to interest me is the JFK assassination, which I think is mostly due to there being so many conspiracy theories about it. I love my tinfoil hat moments.
2. I’m Aquarian, but have a lot of earth-based signs in my chart so I always tend to come across as more stable and grounded than I actually am. *laughs*
3. I currently work for my government (mostly local stuff for the town I live in, with some huge national legislations worming their way into our law-executing phases) in a mail/archiving position, but have actually studied child development with a strong focus on mental illness and problems surrounding gifted children.
4. Nothing gets on my nerves more than ignorance and an unwillingness to change.
5. I, being the utterly insecure fool I sometimes am, often worry that my English isn’t quite up to par to be running a blog in the language. So far, I’ve always been reassured I’m doing fine — but, yeap, I catch my own tiny mistakes sometimes and wince. =P The life of a perfectionist..
# a rare personal post again # soon they won't be rare anymore # submission
In 1999 Stephen King gave a keynote in Vermont, discussing school shootings.
The Bogeyboys by Stephen King
When I speak in public, a thing I do as rarely as possible, I usually don’t speak from a prepared text and I hardly ever try to say anything serious; to misquote Mark Twain, I…
I hate to break this, but Eric and Dylan don't love you guys back. It's a fantasy, something you all have created in your minds to feel as important to them as they are to you, and a crutch. The interest/connection may stay, but this infatuation with them would most likely die down to at least a realistic level if you all would get out of the house, get other hobbies, meet people-form actual real-life relationships. They're 2 dead kids with mental health problems, for fuck's sake. I pity you all
*throws pity-party for all the Columbiners with lots of vodka and music* Don’t mind us, we’re enjoying ourselves just fine. ;)
Seriously, though, all jokes aside.. I hate to break this to you, but you really came to the wrong blog. I have been very vocal in my defense of the community in the past and will continue to be so right this second. This community does not need your goddamn pity. This community doesn’t own anybody any explanations as to why the interest/connection is there. This community is too diverse for you to make such snapshot judgments about what we’re all like, what we feel toward the boys, and what we do in our time away from here.
I run a research blog concerning Columbine that is completely focused on Eric and Dylan, yes. You know what I don’t do? Run a fucking fanpage for two dead mass murderers. If you really think that I give a shit about whether or not they’d love me, if you really think that I’m somehow infatuated with these two, if you really think that they are my crutch that helps me get through life.. then, by the gods, you really haven’t been paying attention to my blog at all. I work fulltime (Monday through Friday) in service to my government and my community. I meet a lot of people at my job and outside of it every single day. I have a lot of other stuff I like to do in my spare time. This blog is a sideblog to my personal blog — it is something I enjoy spending time on because I like to challenge my mind and because I really want to devote some of my future work to preventing events like Columbine. I am not an anomaly within this community. Many other people here study and/or work, many of them have varying hobbies that take them away from the subject at hand here, many have very significant relationships in their lives, and many have proven time and time again that they are more real and honest about this case than others will ever be. I am not deserving of your judgment. These people, this community, is not deserving of it.
Also, don’t you even dare broach the subject of Columbine and the boys in the capacity of crutches and important stabilising factors in one’s life with me. Seriously, don’t. If you don’t like me now, oh boy, you’re really gonna hate me when I’m through with you on that particular subject. There are people within the community who find a lot of safety, solace, and understanding of themselves and others through this subject. If the boys are the crutch they need to make it through the day right now, guess what I’ll say? GOOD FOR THEM. Better this crutch than another shooting. Better this crutch than suicide. Better this crutch than depression and other mental illnesses consuming them. Better this crutch than them losing ground in their home life and professional (school/work) life. Better this one crutch that helps them deal with judgmental little shits like yourself in a non-violent way than the alternative.
# I'm so fucking done with everybody always going after the 'fangirls' # I'm so beyond frustrated with people's inability to see beyond their own limited capacities # you're just setting yourself up for failure if you argue this with me # Anonymous
Everything we know about shooters indicates that no one thing causes them to “snap”, that they plan for months if not years ahead. Talking about shooters/releasing info doesn’t make people homicidal and decide to destroy their lives and others. My 2¢
I definitely agree that the release of information and the subsequent discussions about it does not make people homicidal. =) Their planning is meticulous, their reasonings often personal, and their responsibility for the (planned) massacres all their own. Not one thing causes them to snap, and they don’t just wake up one morning with the intent to kill. The decision to destroy one’s own life takes forever. The decision to take others with you takes longer or shorter, depending on where you’re at in your mindframe and morality. It’s not done on a whim — to directly cite the basement tapes or other evidence as the main cause for a massacre would be laughable.
However, it is also a known fact that many of the shooters we know of researched other shootings similar to theirs whilst in their planning stages. I think that they stumble upon Columbine in particular as “the one to outdo”, simply because it’s one of the few ‘big ones’ where information has knowingly been withheld from the public with the reasoning that these two kids could inspire other kids. To a potential shooter, this does read as “they are so scared of these two dead kids” and lends the impression that their revolution is worth following. Eric and Dylan did not only do the exact thing these potential shooters want to do, but their materials from the time before NBK have all been heavily redacted and even unreleased. It lends to them a heroic status that’s virtually without parallel.
Releasing the basement tapes would be a coin-toss in the air: heads for more copycats citing them as direct influences and utilising the how-to of the basement tapes even further, tails for potential shooters turning away from these two awkward kids without the direct copycat urge following in their wake. I don’t think authorities are willing to take the risk of it turning to heads, so they keep us in the impasse of this situation of delayed/no release instead. The release of the tapes would worsen this current instability we suffer, in my opinion, especially because authorities are still refusing to recognise the factors leading up to a school shooting and are refusing to alter education/mental healthcare/etc to form a bigger safety net for those students who are at risk. Authorities are currently not equipped to deal with the possible and probable fall-out the basement tapes can bring to the table. Unless and until society reconsiders its current course of action concerning our children and teenagers, their release is an endeavour I cannot fully support. (However much I, myself, would love to see the tapes and have argued in their favour very frequently in the past.)
Unpopular opinion time?
I do not believe that we will get access to the basement tapes at this point in time, if ever, and I believe that our actions concerning the tapes may contribute to their lockdown rather than their release.
I say this even though I feel that the tapes are very instrumental in understanding the ‘why’ of Columbine, or at the very least in understanding the dynamic between Eric and Dylan. I can argue quite strongly that their lack of presence in the evidence is not helpful when it comes to the work people do to help prevent these massacres from happening. I think that there is a very strong merit in their existence, and I still hope that we will one day be in a position where we can finally sit down and learn from them as we never can from their transcripts alone. I believe that authorities should return to these tapes and look at them in a way that helps prevent school violence rather than add to the problem.
The current copycat argument authorities offer as a reason for their withholding can be rebutted, sure, and I could potentially argue with JeffCo about it until I’m blue in the face. (They can be grateful that I am nowhere near Colorado, as I probably would’ve sat in their offices by now requesting somebody to convince me that their release is in fact detrimental to society.) But, their copycat argument is not entirely untrue either. Various shooters have cited the boys as ‘inspirations’, and various wannabe-copycats like the recently arrested John LaDue have been quoted as saying something along the lines of that the boys were their ‘idols’. Now, one could certainly argue that the addition of the basement tapes to the pile of released evidence would not be massively impactful on the amount of shootings we’ve seen since Columbine. I could even argue that their release would perhaps help the boys topple from their near-mythic pedestal and humanise them to a degree where potential shooters would no longer see them as inspirations or idols. But there is also a danger in that their release may indeed inspire more shootings — and I think we’ve all had quite enough of those.
The petitions regarding the release of the tapes only serve one purpose: letting authorities know that we still want/need them. Making them even more aware not only of the heavy research many of us have committed to, but also of an entire community whose perceptions of the boys can be terrifying and easily misunderstood to an ‘outsider’. They worry that Eric and Dylan are seen as human beings worth all the outpour of love and affection that is seemingly present in this community. There is a concern that the release of the basement tapes will only create a bigger dichotomy between the horror of their actions and the warmth the community carries toward them. (Understandably so, as quite a few of the scenes in the tapes read as endearing/touching/interesting even within the limited information of the transcripts.) I believe it would be far better to work with what we have right now, with little mention of the tapes, and see if we can somehow grow beyond the role and concern that authorities have currently assigned us.
Like or reblog this if it's okay for me to come into your ask box and ask you any of these questions! (I want to get to know my fellow Columbine Research enthusiasts :P)
Do you like Eric or Dylan more?
Who is your favorite/least favorite victim?
What is your favorite Eric quote?
What is your favorite Dylan quote?
What do you think about Brooks Brown?
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Just a note to say you're absolutely beautiful.
Aww, man, that’s so lovely to hear! Thank you. =D Here, please accept the cute kitty snuggles as gratitude:
# I'm kinda flail-y because everyone's being so nice # these are the anon messages I like hahaha # Anonymous
oh what I would give to read more philosophical opinions of eric
# just putting it out there for you and others who missed these first time 'round
ONCE YOU GET THIS YOU HAVE TO SAY FIVE NICE THINGS ABOUT YOURSELF PUBLICLY AND THEN SEND TO YOUR TEN FAVORITE FOLLOWERS ❤️
Thank you very much, sweetie! ❤️ (I have no idea who I’m gonna send this to yet, as I love all of the people who chose to follow me.. but I’ll figure it out, I think. =D)
1. I never know when I’m being hilarious until somebody starts laughing or comments about it. I’m completely oblivious to being funny, which I’ve been told is endearing. XD
2. I’m usually calm (it takes a lot to rile me up) and I notice that this sense of inner peace gives other people the space to calm down too, which is awesome.
3. No matter how much I procrastinate, I always land on my feet and get stuff done in time. It’s a gift I’m grateful for — the ability to trust that everything that should work out will always work out.
4. I think I have a really good sense of personal style, lol, although I’m sure that anyone who’s seen me in my Star Wars shirt and leggings is gonna disagree vehemently. ;)
5. I think I have a nice smile. ^^